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Scenarios for the US team’s success or failure aren’t hard to find, but mine are funny. The final matches in our group are England v Slovenia and the USA v Algeria.  The long and the short of it is: the US will advance if we do as well (or better) than England in the final games.

Edit: Thanks to Nevets in the comments for going through ALL the tie breaks and catching some math mistakes.

Points now:

World Cup Group C points after 2 matches

PointsGoals ForGoals AgainstGoal Differential
Slovenia432+1
USA2330
England2110
Algeria101-1
The Goals For & Goal Differential columns are really important. Trust me.

Scenarios:

Scenario 1: England beats Slovenia, US beats Algeria

Points
USA5
England5
Slovenia4
Algeria1
Whichever team has the highest goal differential will finish first. Right now, US & England are tied.

Scenario 2: England ties Slovenia, US beats Algeria.

Points
USA5
Slovenia5
England3
Algeria1
Team with the highest Goal Differential will finish first.

Scenario 3: Slovenia beats England, US beats Algeria.

Points
Slovenia7
USA5
England2
Algeria1
Fabio Capello will be knee capped by the future Wayne Rooney, who has been tricked by Dr. Who and doesn't know he's too late to change the past! muahahahahaha!

Scenario 4: England beats Slovenia, US ties Algeria.

Points
England5
Slovenia4
USA3
Algeria2
this would suck.

Scenario 5: England ties Slovenia, US ties Algeria.

Points
Slovenia5
USA3
England3
Algeria2
Goal Differential is the first tiebreak.

If the US and England manage to finish with an equal Goal Differential, there's a tie break. What's that tie break? Drawing lots. Old school.

Scenario 6: Slovenia beats England, US ties Algeria.

Points
Slovenia7
USA3
Algeria2
England2
The end of England as we know it, and the ladies from Greennovate will shout from the rooftops. I love that I know Slovenians. There aren't that many.

Scenario 7: Slovenia beats England, Algeria beats the USA.

Points
Slovenia7
Algeria4
USA2
England2
England will melt, and Clive Owen will lead a fascist uprising (John Waters will direct). Bob Bradley will be fired, and, well, America will go on being fans of other sports we invented and therefore dominate. People like me will dwell on the phantom foul for years. Our simmering hatred of one person from Mali will kill their fledgling tourism industry.

Scenario 8: England ties Slovenia, Algeria beats US

Points
Slovenia5
Algeria4
England3
USA2
This would also suck.

Scenario 9: England beats Slovenia, Algeria beats US

Points
England5
Slovenia4
Algeria4
USA2
Continued sucking, but with more gloating from your English friends. 2nd place would again be decided by Goal Differential. Sad pandas like me start dreaming about Brazil 2014.
  • ruskerdu

    in #9 slovenia would have 4 points not 3

  • ruskerdu

    in #9 slovenia would have 4 points not 3

  • Nevets

    Mark,
    Some of your tables are a little off. Here is the tie breakers.
    Take a look & see if what I have noted is correct. It should be right.

    The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:

    a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
    b) goal difference in all group matches;
    c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

    If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:
    d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
    e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
    f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
    g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

    In other words, if the points are the same, and both goal difference and scored goals are the same, they resort to how the two or more tied teams fared only in their games against each other.

    And if all else fails, the order will be drawn from a hat.

    So using the above tie breaker rules…

    – Scenario 1
    England could finish 1st if they have a better +/- than the USA. England would have to win by at least 4 goals if the States only win by 1. Would draw lots if tied on +/-

    – Scenario 2
    USA would be 1st due to a better +/- (USA would be at least +3 & Slovenia would be +1)

    – Scenario 5
    USA would be 2nd due to a better +/- than England (USA would be +2 & England would be 0)

  • Nevets

    Mark,
    Some of your tables are a little off. Here is the tie breakers.
    Take a look & see if what I have noted is correct. It should be right.

    The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:

    a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
    b) goal difference in all group matches;
    c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

    If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:
    d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
    e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
    f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
    g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

    In other words, if the points are the same, and both goal difference and scored goals are the same, they resort to how the two or more tied teams fared only in their games against each other.

    And if all else fails, the order will be drawn from a hat.

    So using the above tie breaker rules…

    – Scenario 1
    England could finish 1st if they have a better +/- than the USA. England would have to win by at least 4 goals if the States only win by 1. Would draw lots if tied on +/-

    – Scenario 2
    USA would be 1st due to a better +/- (USA would be at least +3 & Slovenia would be +1)

    – Scenario 5
    USA would be 2nd due to a better +/- than England (USA would be +2 & England would be 0)